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Glassjaw
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skweels Mon 08.08

Skweels - This is Skweels from Redstar Magazine, and we are doing the interview withÖ

Beck - Justin the guitarist from Glassjaw

Skweels - OK, who all is in your band, and what are their roles.

Beck - Well, we got Dave, he plays bass. Larry, he plays drums, Todd plays guitar and Daryl, and he sings.

Skweels - The members that you have now, this hasnít always been it. Actually you and Daryl are the only original members, is that right?

Beck - Yes

Skweels - How has that affected your band, as for going through all the member changes?

Beck - well as far as member changes, it affects it sometimes doesnít. People come on board, and they bring different things. Whether its insanity, your character, style, music. I mean, Daryl and I started the band with kind of an idea of where we wanted to go, and ever since we started, whether it was for people having to leave for college, becoming christianers or whatever the case, we have always had people leaving, so it was always kind of our band. We were kind of dependant on each other. You have people who just join the band, and just kinda come along for the ride, and ya know thatís cool, and theres some people that come in and artistically add something new each time. its kinda cool because it adds a new module, or a new fresh breath. A new outlook on something, whether its somebodys new ability or something else. Its never really been like, people bouncing out for personal reasons, its always been ya know, like I said schooling and stuff like that, or maybe because they hate a label. Like Roadrunner. and they just couldnít take it, or its something along the line of thinking that they are in a band, and its not really a career or any sort of future for oneself. its like you are kind of taking a gamble. I would say that we have probably had, in the high teens, of members in the band, and with like 2 of them it was because of a personality twist.

Skweels - Has it always been 5 members, for the band as a whole?

Beck - Yeah, its always been 5 members, I used to play drums for the band. when we first started I got thrown behind drums. I was promised that I was only going to be playing drums for like a week or two until we find a new one, cause I wanted to play guitar. then like 4 or 5 years later, I was still behind the fucking drums. (laughs) then eventually, a member here, a member there, I moved into bass. So I grabbed the drummer for my old band, then he bounced out and we got another one, then a guitarist left, so I finally got to go back to guitar, so its been like musical chairs.

Skweels - You said something about an old band, have all of you guys been in bands before Glassajaw?

Beck - Me and Daryl, this is our first full time band, I mean we were like 13 years old when we started. Then id say when I was about 16 or 17. Cause Daryl wasnít allowed to be in the band. Cause Daryl like went to catholic school, his parents were always, you cant do anything. they were always like You go to school, you go to church, you come home for dinner. His dad didnít want him in the band for certain reasons, in conjunction with that, and he was always sick we really couldnít leave extensively for a long time. So I started a side project, a joke band. We had Todd join in that band, it was called Sons of Abraham. Then within a year, sons ended up doing more than any of us had expected. it became full time, we were touring all of the time. I think he sold something like 10,000 records. and for a metal/hardcore band at that time that was huge. it was nuts. it just came to this time, where it was like, theres just not enough time in the day to do everything, I kinda had to decide what was worth its weight to me musically. I liked what Sons was doing more, but to me I could do more with Glassjaw. I could do hardcore, I could do metal, I could do bosonova if I wanted to. So I was like, alright I gotta kill one. So I killed Sons. Thatís when I moved from drums, I ended up moving from drums to bass. And I took the drummer from that band. So that was like the new Glassjaw regime. I think from that point on it became much more serious, that was probably around '98 or '99 or something like that.

Skweels - So that was before anything really took off then?

Beck - Yeah, Kiss Kiss came out, then we just kinda started focussing more as a band. as far as the direction that we wanted to take. From there it just kinda happened.

Skweels - You have gone back and forth from band to band, with the side project, and you are saying how these are 2 totally different styles of music. Who would you say that you hold as influences? you guys hit hardcore, you hit metal, you have kind of a punk feel in some of your stuff, it goes on such a wide spectrum.

Beck - Well we all grew up in the hardcore world, when we were young I was a little metal head, I was in like 2nd grade, I had the long hair. I grew up on like Anthrax, MOD, Metallica, all the shit like that. Then around Jr High time, about 13 years old, I got introduced to likeÖ The 2 bands that switched me over from Metal to hardcore were Bad Brains and Sick of it all, I remember being like 12 or 13 years old and being like "Wow, This is Sick" Cause you know metal shows, have such a different aura, a different class or a different vibe going on, but like being 13 years old, and going to a hardcore show. The band is in the room with the kids, and the kids are in the room with the band. it was always like, you could do whatever you want. everyone is on the same level, and has a fair chance. And its just like wow, this is sick. and I remember saying to myself, cause I was like a metal head, and I was watching all these bands. Starting a band, always seemed like it was so far off. Then I saw, all these bands, really arent that good of musicians, they are just having fun. Thatís where it was really an incentive, to get a band going. Its more practical than you think. Then I met Daryl. We were 13 years old and we started our shit. Growing up in New York as far as influences, youíve got everything from Bad Brains, to Sick of it All, to Orange 9mm. Anything hardcore, its such a spectrum, you could say American Nightmare, Hatebreed, Glassjaw, and Promise Ring, all of those bands sound nothing alike, and its not the music that connects them, but its more of the ethic, or the upbringing. You know we all come the same school. Its like a vibe and its an ethic. You are all out there doing the same thing. The same politics. In hardcore, theres politics, whether you follow them or not. Whether itís a christian movement, or being vegan. Being in an indy rock band, doing your own tours. Booking your own shows. There is just so much ethic and culture going on. I think thatís the connection with a lot of bands. I think with Glassjaw, outside of the bands that are from the same school, we all have our own influences, we have our hardcore influences, then theres other shit, like I love Stevie Wonder. So theres shit like that. We arent afraid to take influence from other places. I think one huge influence, thatís not musical, but from a concept of a foundation for a band, was Faith No More. I donít necessarily look to them for like guitar riffs or drum ideas, but they have this ethic of like, do whatever you want. Even before Mike Patton comes to the vocals. I think the bassist is the arranger of the songs, they can come out with a song and they can have it be metal, or they can have it be bosonova. I mean Patton is in his own world as far as what he does. Basically their attitude is to just do what you want and have fun. So thatís a huge influence.

Skweels - The whole band is straight edge isnt it?

Beck - Not the whole band, just me and Daryl. It started off as a straight edge band, then somewhere within the 10 or however many years weve been a band, members have come and gone.

Skweels - Do you feel like that holds you back from anything? I mean, you guys are getting up there as far as being known as a band, going from nobody knowing who you are, and playing small clubs, to driving around in a tour bus, playing huge shows, you toured with the deftones. You see these bands, and they all have that "Rockstar" vibe. Where they get drunk, and theyíve got drugs coming in and out. is that ever hard for you guys?

Beck - If you are straight edge, and its hard to be straight edge, then you shouldnít be straight edge. Its not a challenge, its just sort of like, do you think about not murdering someone? its easy for me, for me personally its always been a way of life.

Skweels - Do you feel like you are an inspiration to other bands, so that if they want to be in a band, they donít have to lead that rockstar life, and still make it as one of those really well known bands, without having to give in to peer pressure of this lifestyle?

Beck - A lot of bands do it out of boredom, when you are on the road you are limited as to what you can do, so I can understand how someone would get into that. As myself, I like to stay busy, when im home I work from like 7 am to 1 am. So when im on the road I go crazy. so I could maybe see someone turning to drugs to subdue the flames of insanity of boredom. Not necessarily being a rockstar. When I grew up in the hardcore scene straight edge was getting big. It almost got too big. When something is pure and someone does it for their own self, then its cool. But once something gets out and starts becoming a trend, it gets tainted. It was almost that you were a dick if you were straightedge. So then the nemesis of I am a straightedge, was I am an alcoholic cokehead. There is no straight edge posse anymore so now its just like "yeah whatever, im straightedge" Ther is nothing wrong with it. It became so taboo to mention it. you do it for yourself which is the main thing. people do drugs, its not really for like rock star status, its just cause its always been there, and some people are just weak, so people turn to that. I donít really preach to kids about it, from what ive seen all the kids that used to preach about it, were all the ones that turned into cokeheads later on. as positive of a thing it is to find out, its better to have them find out on their own, so its for themselves. instead of them forcing themselves to do it, and thevve tried all the shit, and they try not to do it, and they crack, and they crack hard. so its basically, im proud to say I donít do drugs, I think its good, but if anyones not going to do it, do it for yourself.

Skweels - You guys have the straight edge thing, but aside from music, are there any other influences that you hold, that help you to write. Or basically, what makes you want to get out there and play guitar? Or is there any particular thing that one day made you say, man, I gotta play guitar, I gotta play drums, I gotta play bass?

Beck - man, its been as long as I can remember. ive been taking lessons for instruments since I was like 4. I started with the accordian, and ive always just wanted to be doing music. Its like the ultimate beyond hobby. I donít say that im transcending to people, because it almost sounds gay or cheesey. I mean for me, I can barely speak english, im horrible with words. to me like, when you can express or some sort of emotion through chord stuctures. Thatís the ultimate story book, the sickest expression, or the greatest way to set out a vibe. If you can do that musically, then thatís the shit. Growing up, its always been music. I think most kids sucked, I hated most of the kids in my school. I didnít want to be friends with any of them. I like art, and I like music. I mean you wake up, and you donít know why you donít kill someone, you donít know why the sky is blue, I donít know why I play music. Just because.

Skweels - Where did the band name come from?

Beck - Fuckin 13 year old idiots, we had a list of names, and we were just like, lets pick one of these band names which ones the cooloest. at the time there were a bunch of bands coming out with 2 names in one like that. like mouthpiece, curbjaw, stuff like that. We were going down the list, and the first name that I liked was Swiftkick. Im all like, thatís a sick name. But for some reason Glassjaw stuck, theres really no reason behind it. It just sounded cool, and its been governing my life for the past 12 years.

Skweels - Both albums have been recorded with Ross Robinson, has he impacted you guys at all? Ive heard stories about him picking fights and stuff like that between band members to get you motivated to get in there and whoop ass, just to bring out the emotion for recording. So my question, how does the recording process go with Ross?

Beck - Ross' whole thing, he just wants you to be sincere. If you notice his recordings, they are not sonically amazing, they are not tailored. It just sounds like a band, in a room. I think thatís the biggest perk about recording with Ross, youíve got a real, actual band. Not a click track, and over processed shit. Ive heard some people say, I Like your new shit, but the old stuff is better, the new stuff is over produced, basically, they see Ross' name and they just want to say that because they donít know any better. When in actuality Ross is the biggest, underproducing producer around.

Skweels - Yeah, ive heard stories, about how cool he is, how he lets you do most of what you want to do.

Beck - Yeah, he doesnít walk in and say, ok heres your track, and you are going to play it like this. he pretty much walks in and hes like, OK, youre an idiot, youre a shmuck, youre a douche bag. In hands, thatís everything you have, donít be offending to be the douche bag that you are. Be yourself. With glassjaw, 4 to 5 of us are known for being idiots, like all the time. We are like the stupidest bunch of kids. we have a really stupid sense of humor that nobody gets, and just crack jokes all day. Ross is just like, thatís cool man, thatís who you guys are, donít change just for me. Like in the recordings, there is a lot of stupid shit, that you probably wouldnít hear on the first pick up, but if you listen close there is a bunch of stupid shit that we put in. Ross is just a catalyst, he gets your natural juices flowing. Hes like an honest gauge. Its very much a personal thing too, we owe so much to Ross. He saved us from our last record company, hes gone beyond the role of producer, hes like manager/father/godfather/best friend. the guy has done more than my parents for me. He oversteps the boundary of producer. I donít even look at him as my producer, I look at him as like my friend or my guardian.

Skweels - So you guys plan to stick with him then?

Beck - Oh yeah, a lot of people are like, oh you guys arent selling records, maybe you should switch producers. buts its not about that. its not about having perfectly sounding records. I believe in kharma. its about doing your own thing, trying to have fun, and not taking it to seriously. I take this "industry" seriously, about how the bands donít make money, its pretty much everyone but the bands make money. Anything from managers, to agents, to the labels. Everything is so developed in a form manner. Its developed for everyone but the band. So I feel when money is being generated, let it go to a band, the band that deserved it. itís the righteous thing. I think in the industry everything is totally backwards. So that shit I take seriously. cause like in the hardcore kids, at the hardcore shows. they book their own shows, you do everything yourself, you get what you deserve. In this new world, its not like that. so that shit I take seriously. but as far as like, is glassjaw gonna sell records, is this video going to get us somewhere, do you see yourself as a role model. I might be like 24 now, but itís a joke, we are just having fun, Ross says the same thing. Have fun with it.

Skweels - Well, whether you want to or not, you end up becoming a role model. and your style of music becomes a basis for a lot of bands, as far as, a lot of bands are coming out, and they wanna sound, well not necessarily sound exactly like glassjaw, but they have that mentality where I like how that sounds, other people like how that sounds, so im gonna do it. Kinda like how Korn walks out, and they have this new sound, well new to the public. People were doing it for such a long time, but they marketed it in a way so that everyone got to hear it, then from that point on, you have all these bands coming out sounding like Korn. Like Coal Chamber, stuff like that, bands that in their own right, have their own talent, they just have that Korn feel.

Beck - I personally wish that it would never happen, cause I think the ones that did that, surpassed us, and now we are opening up for them. But what can you do?

Skweels - You were talking about videos before, the video you recently did for Cosmopolitan Bloodloss, you got Vince Gallo. How did you guys get hooked up with that guy?

Beck - For the record, the video could have been the coolest video in the world, and it sucked. It could have been SO FUCKING COOL. The story board was such a simple thing. We walked in and we were like, Listen, we donít want to be in the video. Then the label was like, you should be in the video, and we said nah, its stupid we donít want to be in the video. Then they said, there are ways of maybe doing it. Then we sat down with this guy Jeff at Warner Brothers, whos just like the artistic vision for so many bands, and so many labels for the past like 20 something years, so I trust the guy, I totally look up to him. So we came up with this plan, where this guy gets woken up by this obtrusive noise, which is the band, he wakes up out of bed, all pissed off, frantically running around his apartment, running around the streets. and is all over the city, looking for this sound, then he finally finds the sound then he gets rid of it. There were a lot of simple shots, like where vincent gets up out of bed, he just wakes up. I wish I was there for just that little scene, cause that 5% of the video is like 95% of the story, it would have made more sense, see nobody knows what it was.

Skweels - and originally doesnít he kill you guys?

Beck - We have that footage somewhere, im trying to get it out for like the 5 kids who might care. but yeah, instead of pulling the plug, he pulls out a gun and shoots us, theres blood, and we get shot. I know its online somewhere, or I hope it is, I hope it gets out there. because that story board got lost and wasnít executed as well. when we got the first edit of the video we were crushed, cause it was such a simple thing. we were all like ah, this is going to be the sickest video, then we got it, and we were just devastated, we were in chicago we all put it in, and we press play. I kinda look back to everyone, and we all kinda started kidding ourselves that it was good, we did like 2 months of editting and it just came out like shit.

Skweels - Doesnít the band have any of the say in how a video turns out?

Beck - The band has all the say Warner Brothers was just like, do whatever you want man. its your band, well promote you guys, do it the way you want. Theyíve been so cool to us, but it was a matter of time and simple footage that just wasnít there. So we were like, can we get vincent back to shoot him for like 2 seconds. And as pissed at him as I was for not doing the role right, the guy is genious. and you can fuck with vincent gallo. so its like, I guess we cant get him back.

Skweels - So did the label grab him for you guys or something?

Beck - The way we got him was, we are fans of his, and we came into the label, and we had just watched "Buffalo 66" the night before, and we were like, we want Vincent Gallo, and we were laughing, and trying to bust their balls. And they are like, oh we are friends with him, well call him. So they call him right there in front of us, and we were like WHA? (mouth wide open).

Skweels - You guys have come along way from playing little shows, to touring around with the deftones, recording with Ross Robinson, having your own tours, and playing shows with an ungodly amount of bands, now you are out here, youre on a tour bus, youre headlining your own tour, going overseas everything like that. What steps have you taken to get where you are, what kinda tips could you give to a band starting out?

Beck - A tip? Not to put down any compliments, but there is different ways of grooming a band, first and foremost you do it for yourself. Donít ever try to get signed, if you try to get signed you are a fucking idiot. We never attempted, we never sent out a tape, we never sent out anything, it just happened. and I think itís a different world now, its much more realistic because labels are looking for other bands in each genre. so its practical for these bands to get signed, so a lot of these bands come together just for the sake of getting signed. its not about that, it really isnt. Granted, we are in a bus, but the bus doesnít mean shit. WB could pull my tour support tomorrow. I drive a 1990 Caravan worth like 1000 dollars. Its not glitter and gold. its cool to have fans. When I was young and just starting out, youd see a band in a tour bus, and youre like awe man, you made it when you are in a tour bus. A tour bus means either you are blowing your tour support, or you make enough to get it. it doesnít always mean, you are rolling in the shit ya know? and now that the major label world, has entered and infiltrated our nitch in the world, and our scene. They are kind of exploiting the ethics of indy rock. its all this shit, and its kind of spoiling the ethic. The shit that made it genuine. I guess what im trying to say isÖ the bus, playing with the deftones, its all sick shit, but I donít own the bus. The deftones kids, we might have gotten like 3 fans from each show its not like you play in front of those kids and all of a sudden they like you. Some bands it works easy for, but glassjaw has always been like not struggling or anything like that so nobody likes us, but there are a lot of bands that come out of the box and are like Poof, instant ya know this or that. Glassjaw has always been the band, where it takes some bands 1 listen, and you get it. we are the band that takes 12 times and you get it. thatís the 1 thing that everyone has always told me. Not that its complicated, just that the taste is different. once people get glassjaw, they seem to love it, other people just donít want to listen to it 10 times.

Skweels - Well the fans that you do have seem to be the most hardcore, die hard fans that are out there. There are kids that come out to the show, and they listen and they like it, then at that point it seems that all other bands are obsolete compared to glassjaw.

Beck - We definitely see how hard our kids die, and we definitely appreciate everything. but id like to say, in the concept of when I grew up, in the hardcore scene, it was realistic to be in a band. but in the hardcore scene it was taboo to get signed. so I never thought about it, I never looked at being in a band that way. so being in a band, was just being in a band. so I think that some kids that come to a show, and see us on a tour bus might be like, yo that could be us. donít look at it that way, that is nothing, that could be gone in the morning. just be in a band for yourself. thatís all im trying to say, you can probably sum up all of my babble into that simple quote. do it for yourself and thatís it. Cause theres a reality out there, and they are like oh I wanna do this band shit then they turn around and they are 28, they first go back to college, they come out and they are like 30 something. and its like dude, do you want to have a life? not even get rich, but work a decent job and have a family? the band shit really puts people off sometimes, I have a lot of friends who cant get back on track. they are rounding 30 years old and they knowÖ I know the band may not do it, but ive just got to get it out of my system. there has to be a fine balance. Music is music, but to me its life, but I fit it into the normal life, like when I go home, I donít rejoice and be like hey check me out, im in glassjaw. I go home and I work. you gotta be realistic about. being in a band is not a realistic lifestyle I donít think. If I didnít have my head on straight, I think, then I got out of this band 3 years down the line and had nothing to show for it which usually is the case for bands, because there is like a bazillion time failure rate. yeah you got fans yeah you got this and that, but what does the band have at the end of the day. Like take a band like earth crisis, to me growing up they were the sickest, they taught me so much shit. They were the sickest, and now they are all like 30 year old men, trying to get their lives together. Its unfortunate, but kids donít remember shit, and they just donít give a shit when that bands not cool anymore. and I see my friends struggling for livelihood. So its cool to be in a band, but at the end of the day, when the kids forget you, which is the sad truth its cool to have a life for yourself. a lot of people get blinded by that, they think like, you are going to get fans and youll be taken care of for the rest of your life. but it never happens that way.

Skweels - Even so, do you have any goals that you have set for yourself, or the band as for what you want to pursue, or what you want to do in the future?

Beck - I think that as a band, glassjaw is going to continue doing what we have always been doing, which is what we want. I think we are having fun with it, I think that we have a good idea or vision as to where the music is going to go. And we just hope the kids like it. itís a little different I think, since im getting older, there is other sides of music, that you want to touch upon. so thatís going to be one challenge. and then finding a balance. id like to find a balance between the tour life, and being in the band. If you could find that balance, then you could tour for the rest of your life. thatís the ultimate goal for me. I donít like going out and touring the world for like a year and a half straight, to me thatís the worst. I love touring as much as any other band, but you could really consolidate it. A lot of times you have to eat shit because you want to make a name for yourselves, but id be content, like if Glassjaw didnít get any bigger, thatís cool. If you get it now, or if you donít get it, then you fucking suck. so im cool with playing in a room that only holds 300 people. as long as there is a balance. you can make a balance and have some sanity to yourself. I think that being in a band, and a touring band, just seems unhealthy. but its about having fun.

Skweels - One last off the wall question, if there is any band that you could see play the bozo show, who would it be?

Beck - I would say screwdriver. Thatís like one of the biggest white power hardcore bands ever. HAHA. Either that or Body Count.

Skweels - Whoa, good answer.

Beck - Yeah, I actually got asked to play guitar on some of their new record. one of the guys is a huge fan of ours, he comes to all our shows in California. So they asked me.


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